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Are the Bach suites concertante works? How? There's an article for cello sonatas (and presumably other cello and piano works?... but the list could usefully be broken off there also, or combined with this one and renamed though it would get long!) but I don't see that solo works belong here, even ones that are polyphonic as Bach's solo violin and cello works are. Schissel : bowl listen 02:56, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)

Cello sonata list now broken apart (which allows the rest of the page to be expanded without it growing into a monstrosity, I hope) into works with or without accompanying instrument (piano by default but I really should have just written accompaniment). Going to remove the Bach suites entirely though, they don't belong - they're not at all concertante works ( www.m-w.com is fairly unhelpful here, www.dictionary.com agrees with me- but not I with it! - Oxford Concise - that's the right order - gives (1) in the nature of a concerto (2) the concertante instrument in the old concerto grosso were those which played the solos as distinct from the ripieno instruments.

A concertante work is in any case a work of concerto-like character - the pattern in Bach's suites is one of polyphonic treatment of voices, not one of conflict of voices. Schissel : bowl listen 22:50, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)

Hmm, I agree with you. When I placed the Bach suites on this page, I didn't realize that there was another page for solo cello works... Sorry! With so many pages, it's kind of confusing. Flcelloguy 13:32, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Is there a strict line where cello concerto's stop and double concerto's start? I see for instance the double concerto by Vivaldi mentioned, but the ones by Saint Saëns or Delius or Brahms not ... Should the Vivaldi be taken out, or the others taken in? Basboy

Hrm. That Vivaldi list needs some editing anyway (see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (music)#Major and minor). Rv531 may belong here, not sure about the other, you're right there, though where to put them... I would not for instance suggest Sinfonia concertante, which is a genre of its own, not a general way of referring to multiple-instrument concertos, and did not exist in Vivaldi's time - to my knowledge?... and Double concerto might be too constricting (what's so special about the number two?) (though one might say, start somewhere. And I'd agree.) Schissel : bowl listen 12:56, 20 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

well uhhm so special about the Delius? Nothing much, though its charming, it just came to mind, that's all. I thought Brahms a difficult example, for he didn't write a cello concerto, where the others did. But its true where to start .... Double concerto might not be such a bad idea at all, I think best would be to keep it under this link, as concerto's for multiple instruments with cello and others .. Basboy

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This list looks very odd to me. The 'concertos' section includes works which are not concertos- Britten's Cello Symphony, Prokofiev's Concertino and Sinfonia Concertante etc.- while the 'other concertante works' section includes works which are not concertante, such as Faure's Elegy and Kol Nidrei. Is there a reason for this? It looks to me as if the sections would be more accurately named 'concertante works' and 'other works for cello and orchestra'. HenryFlower 18:59, 26 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's more because people add things pellmell and don't check- it needs occasional cleaning. Schissel | Sound the Note! 15:59, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yuriy Leonovich

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I deleted Yuriy Leonovich and his compositions from this page yesterday, because whereas almost every other composition on this page is a major work by a well-known composer, and either part of teh standard repertoire or part of non-standard but generally known-about repertoire, Leonovich is nothing but a cello student who happens to composer and thinks very highly of himself. In addition, he, using the username maestroukr, is the one who added his own works (conflict of interest!). Within an hour after I deleted his works from the page, he did a revert, calling it vandalism, despite the fact that my edit summary gave the above reasons. I believe these works should not appear on this page, but because revert wars aren't allowed by wikipedia, I'm positing this here first. Can we get consensus? Thanks 129humility 15:48, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So... I suppose you would take all the hundreds of pieces written by Mozart (the ones he wrote from ages 5-18) off these sites. What is the legal age of composers? Mozart was at that time a student! No? Hmm... Just a thought! I don't know either? But who are you or I to judge a piece if its good or not.

There are standards of notability in this site. If Mozart's harpsichord concerto, his now lost earliest known work as a 5-year-old had been added to Wikipedia when he was not yet known to anyone outside a small circle- that is, if Wikipedia had been around in 1761 and someone had added it _then_ - yes, it would have been perfectly right to remove it. Because we do not argue by hindsight, by "but maybe this is the next Beethoven!" and by lucky chances. There is room and bandwidth for a lot of people- but they have to be attested to somewhere independent of their own blog, their own homepage, etc., somewhere notable in fact; they have to relate to (there are conditions, you can look them up...) -- let's summarize this, I do not have time for more (or, as others have put it, to make this shorter, either.) The fact that Leonovich articles keep being deleted the author of the article may see as a cabal against him, but I'm afraid is not the case. Become notable _first_, have someone _else_ write about you, then your agent will talk with my ;^) ... I mean, then the article won't be deleted. Schissel | Sound the Note! 22:18, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Repeated Titles

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Please help remove repeated titles: i.e. Tchaikovsky's Rococo Variations belong under Other Concertante Works, and not under the Concerti part. Maestroukr 22:52, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

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