Talk:Acadia

Vandalism?

The first paragraph ends with "yep it was sad we all know that if you think it is sad clap your hands" - the history shows Cluebot trying to remove that, but I still see it in the current revision. When I try and go in and edit it, however, the line to remove doesn't show up in the text to edit - - - anyone smart want to fix this?

-j. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.183.156.31 (talk) 02:58, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Untitled

From the first paragraph of the Encyclopedia Britannica's entry:

North American Atlantic seaboard possessions of France in the 17th and 18th centuries. Centred in what is now Nova Scotia, Acadia was probably intended to include the other present Maritime Provinces of Canada as well as parts of Maine [U.S.] and Quebec.

history of

I've been working on the history of the acadians over at Acadians but then I realised that there is a lot of information here. I think I will keep working on the Acadians page and when it is done, move it here. Or something or other. I was going to make a "History of the Acadians" page and a "History of Acadia" page but then discovered that the "History of Acadia" redirects to just the "Acadia" page here. So... Anyone have any suggestions or advice? this unsigned comment was added by DDD DDD on 24 April 2006

More standard practice would be to create a section here, start it with a Main article: Acadians link, and then put a summary of that page here. GRBerry 15:13, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

One day, I will buy acadia from the F***in canadians and establish the Great Kingdom of Black/Alexandria —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.178.60.190 (talk) 19:38, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

i like Maps

I was wondering whether it would be possible for someone to find old french maps or create a map (or maps) based on them, of the territory in question - though it is explained in the article, a picture is a thousand words... Kirby Rourke 08:37, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Propose new Navbox

The main problem with WP's coverage of New France is that there is little continuity between the different locales. Americans editors have made the Louisiana page very good, but much of it duplicates the main page. Meanwhile the main page concentrates way too much on Canada, and neglects Acadia, Louisiana, etc. There is a separate page for the colony of Canada but it is mostly unused. To help readers, and editors get a better understanding of how New France was organized. I proposed this new Navbox template. The first section I am committed to and eventually I want to see it on this page regardless. The rest is open to debate and change.

PROTOTYPE NAVBOX DELETED

What do you think? Is it too broad, too narrow? Would a list of topics be better? Thanks for the imput. Kevlar67 21:39, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Flag of Acadia

Could you please explain, why you reveverted my last edit in Acadia. The Fleur-de-Lis was the flag of France, but not of Acadia. What do you think about that fact? --Mikmaq 22:18, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

1st - There were several vandalizations before your edit. I felt it best to revert all edits since the last clean copy. 2nd - Acadia was a French colonial territory. It was never a seperate nation, but always a part of France. It's appropriate. --64.12.122.197 23:28, 21. Feb. 2007 (CET)

Normally I answer on that place where the discussion was originally started. So I'm returning back to your page.

To 1st: You are Lawyer, but you are not able to read edit comments before you use the revert button? Is this your special interpretation of Assume good faith? Really?

To 2nd: Acadia was a French colonial territory, indeed. But without an own flag. Tell me, why the english flag is not used in the article Delaware Colony, or the spanish flag not in Spanish Texas? Or the swedish flag not in New Sweden? That's much more appropriate. Or have you stronger arguments for your opinion? If not, I will remove the info box with the wrong flag(s) once again. --Mikmaq 07:34, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

You asked me to explain, and I did. I could give a flying fuck what you do next. --Evb-wiki 14:44, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, a friend told me that my reply to your first answer was not worded very nicely. Now this probably applies. Indeed, I was quite angry about the fact that you have treated me like an usual vandal. We do not share the same convictions, but if I have attacked you personally, it was not my intention.

Nevertheless, I would like to ask you to bother with the above and new arguments. Thanks. --Mikmaq 21:18, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Can I still expect to receive an answer on my question? --Mikmaq 17:01, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Mikmaq, I am not here to engage in arguments or personal attacks. I do not see how removing perfectly valid information from an article for the sake of mere conformity has anything to do with improving the article, or improving Wikipedia. If you choose to remove info box again, I feel your justification is weak. --Evb-wiki 18:00, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Since Acadia did not have it's own flag at the time (not til 19thC) I added the French flag instead. This is consistant with using the Union Jack for Upper Canada. That's all, nothing big. Kevlar67 01:06, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

If you ask me the main problem is that this whole article is written backwards. It's focused on the colonial history rather than the modern day region and culture. I think this article would be more correctly called the History of Acadia, and a new article more focused on the modern day.70.65.6.167 16:22, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry this continues to be an issue, but the article is about the colony of Acadia, and therefore the flag of the Acadians adpoted in the 19th is an anachronism and will have to come down, or put off to the side and throughly explained, the tricolour was never used in the historical period under discussion and therefore can't be in the infobox. --Kevlar (talk • contribs) 19:59, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I understand the focus of the article, and I agree about setting each flag in its proper period in time. I'm grateful, though, that the star-tricolor does appear later in the article, with an explanation about its source. I'm sure anyone looking up this topic would want to know its origin, since it flies so commonly over Acadien households (beside our national flags, of course). Excellent call. LTC David J. Cormier (talk) 15:50, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

At least as long as as search for "Acadia" directs here, the tricolor with the star should probably be displayed. If this is directly found by a search for the historic colony rather than the present day region, that would be different. At present, most people looking for Acadia probably care about the modern region, and not some ancient artifact, and so the flag should be the tricolor. A previous, far lesser known flag could be confusing for most visitors. 134.41.125.152 (talk) 03:49, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Why not include both flags in the article, properly identified of course? The historic flag to illustrate 17th-18th century colonial Acadie, and also the tricolor with star to illustrate modern Acadie.Dirac66 (talk) 21:24, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

I have now gone ahead and included both flags in the infobox, on the model of the French article. Dirac66 (talk) 02:40, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Use of "French and Indian War"

I would like to see the naming of the war changed back to Seven Years' War from French and Indian War. The former is the term actually used in the Acadian region, while the latter reflects the American viewpoint exclusivly. Any comments? If there are no objections I will eventually get around to switching it use the US term in parenthesis. Almaniac 23:43, 19 April 2007 (UTC)Almaniac

I totally agree. The Seven Years' War is a more accurate representation of the war under discussion. Just as Queen Anne's War and the War of Austrian Succession were their own troubles, so, too, was the French & Indian War a unique event in time/space. (And I'm an American, lol).LTC David J. Cormier (talk) 15:41, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

While I agree the title French and Indian War is problematic for the reasons cited, the French and Indian War wiki article is the only one that provides the context of what was happening in Acadia (e.g., Siege of Beausejour and the Expulsion). The current wiki article on the 7 years war starts the war in 1756, when, of course, in North America the war started in 1754. As a result, a compromise could be "the French and Indian War (the North American theatre of the Seven Years War)"--Hantsheroes (talk) 00:40, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Your compromise, or something like it, has to be there. This is not an article about the United States where American terminology is acceptable; Canadian English and the Canadian viewpoint should prevail, in fact are mandated to by CANENGL and the general WPCANADA wikireality; it does not serve to impose American terminology on Canadian history or society - or warfare.Skookum1 (talk) 03:57, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

• • • I don't understand -- if the territory (i.e. Colony of Acadia) eventually formed parts of Canadian provinces *and* US states (Maine?) - doesn't it straddle the line so that both sets of nomenclature should appear early in the article and be explained in that manner? How is this a purely Canadian issue? Chesspride 66.19.84.2 (talk) 13:32, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Information About Acadia Is Not Complete

As an Acadian, I know my roots. Personally, I wouldn't rely too much on the information stipulated here. There's much dis-information.

Acadia came about with the merging of French and English colonists together. Of that which is true, Acadia - at the time of its geographical existence - was separate from the Canadian province now known as Quebec, though there was a spillage of Acadians migrating into Quebec eventually with time passing.

At the time France set out to explore, so did England. Jacques Cartier (France) was the first to have come down through the St. John Valley river, but soon explorers from England arrived shortly thereafter.

Both France and England settlers/colonists did the best to survive together under very harsh conditions, such as grueling winters and also seeking to live peacefully with the Native American Indians. Eventually they formed what was known as "Acadia", the blending of two very distinct cultures, France and England. Its capital was "Port Royal".

Due to many of the French colonists not being able to fare well with the English colonists and Native Indians (MicMacs, Iroquois, Algonquins, Hurons, Mohawks - just to name a few), these ones migrated more to the south and thereby formed what is now termed as the Quebec Province of Canada.

If one listens closely to the Acadian dialect, one will notice how the languages of French and English have blended and inter-mixed. In essence, the Acadian culture is the offspring child of both France and England, having formed a very unique culture of its own.

To this day, many Quebecers (better known as "separatists) still cannot digest the historical fact of England's involvement in the colonization. They also don't get along with the Native Indians.

Today, Acadia has diffused into the Maritime Provinces and New England States.

- Shan-Lyn

NB:

1. 1: When the French colonists arrived through the inlet of the St. John Valley River, along the shores they planted a Cross on my grandmother's brother's property, which to this day is there still.

1. 2: My grandmother's brother's wife wrote an entire book on the Acadian Heritage. She did extensive research.

Adding References

This was my first, unsuccessful foray into editting an article. I saw that the first footnote in the Geography section said that the reference was gone. The History section also stated that the colonists left Port Royal in 1608. I added the citation of Faragher's A Great and Noble Scheme but the footnotes section now looks messed up. (Sadly, the preview option didn't let me see what would occur beforehand.)

I'd like to flesh out this article a bit more, and write a short article about Nicolas Denys, but I need to straighten out my procedures first. LTC David J. Cormier (talk) 01:19, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Post-discovery: Karanacs straightened out my mess from this. Hurrah! I want to be just like her if I grow up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by David.cormier (talk • contribs) 19:31, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Nicolas Denys added. LTC David J. Cormier (talk) 23:46, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Emmanuel Le Borgne or LeBorgne

Here's an odd situation: There doesn't seem to be a standardization in Wikipedia about the spelling of LeBorgne. I see it entered as Le Borgne, Leborgne and LeBorgne. Before I write a bio for this Acadian player, I'd like others' opinions. I favor 'LeBorgne', as a common usage. I would also go further to edit other instances of Emmanuel's name. More contemporary LeBorgnes may have chosen to spell thier names differently, so I wouldn't presume to edit those names. As a side-note, the etymology is from an old nickname meaning 'one-eyed'. LTC David J. Cormier (talk) 21:23, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I think I'd go with whatever version is used most commonly by reference works that talk about him. I'm not familiar enough with the reference works to render a guess. Karanacs (talk) 21:25, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Hatnote

Would it be worth linking directly to Acadia National Park in the hatnote? A quick look at the page traffiic stats for Acadia and Acadia National Park show fairly similar page view counts; I know I was looking for the National Park when I got this page. 208.87.234.180 (talk) 13:41, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

I think this is a good idea, something like "For the national park, see Acadia National Park". LovesMacs (talk) 13:49, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Interesting. I thought the park should be directly included in the article. It is my guess ANP was named after Acadia or Acadians. ANP is one of the largest or most visited parks. Might be worth adding directly to the article. --LegitimateAndEvenCompelling (talk) 00:58, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Erroneous Map of Acadia

The map given here of Acadia neglects to include most of Maine, to the Kennebec river, which was also oonsidered part of Acadia. Is there someone who could put in another map - indicating the contested terrain involved most of Maine and New Brunswick? --Hantsheroes (talk) 13:27, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

The map also needs to be more readable; it's not eventhat readable at full scale because of the land/sea colouring and lack of a distinct coastline.Skookum1 (talk) 19:52, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

La Cadie

The information on the use of "La Cadie" as a name is fine, but it really needs to have a citation for where the information can be found, lest it be deleted for lack of substantiation. LTC (Ret.) David J. Cormier (talk) 18:52, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

If a statement requires a source, just tag it with {{cn}}. I've done that in the article. Glrx (talk) 17:04, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Acadia is actually a Micmac Indian word

"Louisiana Place-Names of Indian Origin" by William A. Reed, Ph.D. states clearly that the word ACADIA most probably from the Micmac (a nation in what is now basically a Canadian area) "acade", meaning a place where there is abundance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bbalser (talk • contribs) 22:54, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

re coords missing

hm, noticed that on an edit...... Acadia's borders weren't the same as the Maritime provinces; so an averaging of the three provincial coordinates wouldn't work out. I'm not sure if the Gaspe was included, also, I think it might have been. But the article does say "The actual specification by the French government for the territory refers to lands bordering the Atlantic coast, roughly between the 40th and 46th parallels. ", so the north latitude at least we kinda "know" would be 43 N. How to work out the longitude beats me....eyeballing the map (which isn't visually workable, you have to enlarge it to even dimly see the land/shoreline), I'd say approximately where Truro is might suffice. Though that's 18th Century, not 20th-21st....if 18th Century maybe part of Maine has to be reckoned in? modern Acadia includes northern New Brunswick....I'd venture maybe Moncton's is the lat-long to use....suggestions? Skookum1 (talk) 19:49, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Acadie Colony

I propose that this article be renamed Acadie Colony or Colony of Acadie or Colonial Acadie or similar, in order to distinguish the extinct historical entity from the thriving ethno-culturally distinct region of the present day.

I came to this article hoping to find an analogue to "Cajun Country," "Gaeltachd" etc; a page that would give me the sense of the geographical bounds of the area. But that vital aspect of the article has been subsumed by attention to historical facts — obviously those are important too, but not at the expense of the living reality. — Muckapedia (talk) 2^e fév. 2014 17h35 (−4h)

This is what we did on the French Wikipedia: an article for the French colony, and an article for the current area. Only writting about the past of Acadia is somewhat missing the point, just like writting only about it's current situation would be untrue. --Red Castle (talk) 18:10, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Acadia is also a current day cultural region. The term should not necessarily automatically refer to an historical article. There should be a full article for the modern day cultural region of Acadia. 134.41.125.152 (talk) 03:32, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

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Language link to French Wikipedia

This article is about the colony, but the link to the French page is to the modern region (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acadie). The article about the colony in French - which we should link to - is https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acadie_(Nouvelle-France). 2602:306:CFEA:170:D560:41C4:60F4:9C49 (talk) 19:22, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

It is true that this article NOW corresponds more to fr:Acadie (Nouvelle-France) than to fr:Acadie, since the history in this article stops in the mid-18th century, giving the false impression that Acadie no longer exists. But I think a better solution would be to extend this article by translating more of fr:Acadie to include the last 250 years of Acadian history as well as modern Acadian institutions such as the Université de Moncton. Dirac66 (talk) 00:01, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

What is Acadia?

Should the article for Acadia automatically refer to an historical article? Acadia is an existing, vibrant, heavily recognized cultural region in Atlantic Canada. I feel it should probably take precedence over the historic definition. It's a living culture. 134.41.125.152 (talk) 03:39, 13 April 2020 (UTC)