Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/5 Die

A drinking game played in Dartmouth College. I think this fails our notability or even verifiability (must be verifiable via a printed source) standards. Andris 11:32, Aug 20, 2004 (UTC)

• Delete, fair deal . But an article on Liar's dice might be nice. Kim Bruning 11:40, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete but delay, Agree with AndrewA. Kim Bruning 23:03, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)
• Delete, non-notable. Looks like it's time to seriously consider blocking all submissions that contain "Dartmouth" :P -- Ferkelparade π 11:42, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)
• Delete: More of the Dartmouth delusions of encyclopedia grandeur. (Seems that Kim's wish was granted.) Geogre 12:58, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)
• The game sounds similar to Yahtzee, but with heavy drinking involved. But delete, along with most of the other Dartmouth rubbish (possibly bring some of these articles together in one - culture of dartmouth college or something)
  • Liar's Dice (no article yet?) it's even linked from the article under scrutiny :-) . Google for liar's dice DOES give some hits :)
    • We do have one. Case sensitivity. The article on Liar's dice uses a small "d", as it should. I've corrected other links here. BTW Why aren't links case-insensitive? This must have been hashed out ages ago but I think it's a big problem. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 16:34, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)
• Keep. I routinely argue against deleting obscure topics because you never know when they'll be useful. Just because I don't know about the game or have a way to verify that it exists, doesn't mean that I won't be interested in the future. You never know what data might become useful. Imagine, for instance, that a future president comes out of Dartmouth and a debate breaks out about a game of 5 die, well, we'll have a place to turn for a reference.Pcw 03:46, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Anonymous votes are ignored. RickK 19:39, Aug 20, 2004 (UTC)
    • I can help there: this vote was made by Pcw. Kim Bruning 23:06, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Comment: I didn't reply to the same argument above, but we have to work with the world as it is, and not the world as it might be. We must cover what is notable now. This includes history, but not presumptions against the future. The task of an encyclopedia is not to record the world or capture reality in its pages. It is analytic in nature, and not journalistic. If something cannot be said about it as it functions in the wider web of knowledge, then nothing should be said about it at all. Geogre 00:23, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)
• More Dartmouth crap. Delete. RickK 19:39, Aug 20, 2004 (UTC)
• Delete but delay. May be mitigating circumstances. Andrewa 22:44, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)
• Delete. Elf-friend 22:50, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)
• Delete drinking game. -- Cyrius|✎ 01:13, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)
• Keep. This RickK character just seems to be bitter about anything Dartmouth. perhaps he's just bitter because he went to a lesser institution of higher learning (did someone say harvard?)
  • Another anonymous vote which will be ignored. RickK 04:49, Aug 21, 2004 (UTC)
    • Bit of a personal attack as well. -- Cyrius|✎ 05:21, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • RickK is probably tired of folks forgetting to sign their votes ;-). This vote was made by User:129.170.10.68. Perhaps you'd like to log in with a user name and claim your vote? :-) Kim Bruning 08:06, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)
• Comment I think people are missing an important point, which is that it seems to me that the article on 5 Die is better written and clearer than the one on Liar's dice. Also, I think that the statement that it is played in "the bar room of Phi Delta Alpha fraternity in Hanover, New Hampshire" needs clarification. Is it really played in only one fraternity? Or is it widely popular in Dartmouth fraternity barrooms, or (perhaps) popular in some region and played in this fraternity because of influential members who are from that region? I'm thinking that this might be like saying that "Sheepshead was played in the common room of the University of Wisconsin Department of Zoology during the 1970s." [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 16:29, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect, in the following complicated way.It does not deserve an article of its own, just a brief description within Liar's dice identifying it as a variant, popular at Dartmouth. But the article is better written than the current article on Liar's dice. So. I won't do this myself, as I'm suffering mild Wikistress at the moment, but in the ideal world of my dreams the author of Liar's dice or someone else would do this:

1. Rewrite Liar's dice to incorporate the superior presentation of 5 Die.
2. Add a section called "Variations" and include one or two paragraphs describing how 5 Die differs from Liar's dice and noting whatever is known about where the variant is played.
3. Make 5 Die, 5 die and Five die redirects to Liar's dice.
4. And add a one-sentence mention of the game and link to the 5 Die section of Liar's dice from the Dartmouth College article, perhaps in a not-yet-existing section on Dartmouth's traditions, customs and culture.

[[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 16:25, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

• Keep variation of Liar's Dice. I don't care if its kept in this article or some other one. The Steve 06:39, Aug 22, 2004 (UTC)
• Comment: is there any verifiability to this game or Liar's Die? If not delete them both. anthony (see warning) 12:21, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Oh, goodness, I just Googled on "Liar's Dice" and there are leventy-umpteen-skabillion hits, most looking pretty relevant. Start with the one on the boardgamegeek site. It's published in a box, apparently by many publishers. Says it's a variation of "Perudo." Says other versions are called Bluff, Call my Bluff, Luckigames, Wayne's World NOT. The topic looks encyclopedic as all git-out to me. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith

(talk)]] 15:01, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

You're kidding, right? You've never heard of Liar's Dice? 400 year history, republished numerous times, under various names? Popular as a gambling and drinking game all over the world? No? This is a perfectly valid variation of that game, and should be in some article, even if not kept as it's own article. Not to mention how well written it is. The Steve 08:29, Aug 25, 2004 (UTC)

Guess I've shown my lack of knowledge on the subject. I'll abstain from this one. I have heard about beer pong though :). anthony (see warning) 12:23, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

• not notable. delete. Dartmouth College users should cease writing articles about Dartmouth trivia. Dunc_Harris|☺ 18:46, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
• Keep. -Sean Curtin 03:58, Aug 25, 2004 (UTC)
• Delete Whereas everyone enjoys a good drinking game, this is merely more useless Dartmouth knowledge. Unless we want a trivia page for every college in the world, all of this has got to go. -TheFed 23:31, 25 Aug 2004(UTC)
• Keep. I'll admit a bias for games, but in reading the description, it seems similar to Perudo, or any of a number of variants of "dice poker." Hmm, also leaning in agreement with Dpbsmith. --Rossumcapek 23:54, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

This debate is now closed: 9 votes for deletion, 5 to keep. Article deleted. DJ Clayworth 16:57, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)