Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Welsh rugby union

There are two articles with very similar titles and overlapping subject areas Welsh rugby union seems to have simply been called Welsh rugby to start with, there is possibly scope to have a History of Welsh rugby union article but details of leagues, clubs etc surely belong in the Welsh Rugby Union article as the WRU are the governing body for rugby union in Wales and are responsible for running these leagues, clubs etc.GordyB 11:10, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Keep. There are many aspects of Welsh rugby that could not be properly covered in an article on the WRU, such as the history of rugby in Wales, its social impact on Welsh people, its political implications, and so on. If anything, the WRU article should be deleted first as much narrower in scope. Rls 01:27, 2005 Mar 13 (UTC)

You make some good points but you can't delete the WRU article as it is the governing body and other union governing bodies e.g. RFU, IRB have their own articles. What I think needs to happen is for those who want to keep this article to think of a new title and add the proposed scope to the discussion page.GordyB 10:12, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Why does it need a new title? I suppose Welsh rugby union and Welsh Rugby Union is a little confusing. How about Rugby union in Wales? I would transfer it but that would lose the vfd tag. Rls 13:21, 2005 Mar 14 (UTC)

I was thinking of suggesting Rugby union in Wales myself, though the scope of the article needs to be defined. Social aspects clearly belong on this page as probably does discussion of the history of the game in Wales or cwpan (dodgy spelling) but details of pro leagues should (IMO) stay with the WRU article.

If nobody else has an opinion I'm going to a) remove vfd tag b) move article to Rugby union in Wales c) add this to the discussion section d) do some surgery on the article to remove stuff that unnecessarily duplicates WRU article. I'll wait a couple of days but I don't see the point in waiting much longer as I'm not actually deleting the page.GordyB 12:39, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I personally think that league details are more appropriate to Rugby union in Wales since the WRU merely organises them on behalf of the clubs involved, but I don't feel strongly about it. Modify it as you see fit. I don't of course have any objection to removing the VfD tag. Rls 17:21, 2005 Mar 15 (UTC)

Okay. I'll try to keep the WRU article specific to the WRU's role in these things and make the 'new' article rather broader.GordyB 23:03, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)