Talk:Penalty (ice hockey)

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Bench Minors

I'm not a hockey expert so I wouldn't want to actually edit this, but I came to this page looking for info on 'bench minors' and I think even though it's mentioned at the top it should go in the penalty list. In addition to BMs, isn't there a whole category of penalties relating to the conduct of coaches and players on the bench (roughing on-ice players, fans, etc) and other procedural penalties? If the former is part of 'unsportsmanlike conduct', shouldn't these examples be mentioned, or at least the method of penalising teams whose off-ice personnel commit infractions? And what about instigator/retaliator penalties? Are they still being called?

Sorry if I seem like a wuss not doing the research and making the edits myself, but I am truly a fan, not an expert, and I haven't even seen a game in two years (no TV, just radio).

Oh also, IMO it would be useful to have the penalties organised (or at least coded) by type (procedural/otherwise non-contact) vs 'contact', and maybe even info on the length of penalty usually assessed for each type. I know it might be preaching to the choir (yeah, I actually know the answers myself lol), but it would help the non-initiates to decipher the calls a little better.

Oh, and aren't high-sticking penalties assessed whenever the stick's up above the shoulder, not only when it's used to hit another player?--Anchoress 04:51, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Not in the NHL. Play may be stopped if the player touches a puck with a high stick, but nobody gets a penalty for it.142.59.153.99 07:51, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed that by IIHF rules, a bench minor may be served by any player in the team rather than any player on the ice as in NHL. IIHF rules, page 56 in the pdf. Since I'm new to this I suggest someone else edits this until I learn how. Sarksjon 08:18, 19 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What sort of information is there about diving? I looked through the IIHF rulebook but they didn't have any information about it, just a picture of a dive.--Sillybulanston 01:47, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How do you mean, information? What are you looking for? Lord Bob 03:26, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I mean like, in the rulebook, there is no small paragraph explaining what a dive is or the legality of it, there is just a picture of a person diving. So my question is: Is diving a penalty or not? I believe it is in IIHF games but I'm not sure about the NHL rules on it.--Sillybulanston 20:39, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Diving is called as unsportsmanlike conduct in the NHL.142.59.153.99 07:51, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Are double minor penalties assessed anymore? The NHL now seems to give major penalties to players who draw blood on a high stick or boarding call.142.59.153.99 07:51, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the NHL still gives out double minors, mostly for gross fouls that result in some minor injury. JJJJust 20:44, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I confirmed this in the rule book. Flip314 10:05, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Penalties In Minutes vs. Penalty Infraction Minutes

Google results:

"Penalties In Minutes" - 84,800
"Penalty Infraction Minutes" - 57

From the National Hockey League's "Puckology" page

"PIM
An abbreviation for "penalties in minutes" (penalty minutes accumulated)."

In short: IT'S NOT PENALTY INFRACTION MINUTES! --Signed and Sealed, JJJJust (T C) 23:15, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Trying to figure the history of this edit war (using WikiBlame, though I'm not an expert with the tool, so corrections welcome):

"penalties in minutes" was added in December 2004
two years later in December 2006, an IP edited it to "penalty infraction minutes"
about 15 months of warring between the two phrases, notably:
- JJJJust changing it back to "in" in May 2007
- an IP changing it to "infraction" on 7 June 2007
- the following day, on 8 June 2007, JJJJust made the above talk page post, reverted IP's edit, plus added ref
- in March 2008, 1995hoo edited the page to "infraction" without adding a source (and kept the old source that only used "in")
no edits until mine (1, 2), reverting it back to the original "in"

Specifically, the reason why I went with "penalties in minutes":

it's the term originally on the page
it's the only term that has been sourced
per JJJJust, web search in 2007, before Wikipedia could have popularized the term, "penalty infraction minutes" was practically non-existent on the web while "penalties in minutes" had more than 1000-times the results

Further input welcome, thanks 15zulu (talk) 10:45, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Misconduct, game misconduct, match penalty, gross misconduct(?)

Exactly what are these penalties and what infractions actually trigger that call? I know that "third man in a fight" gets a game misconduct in the NHL. There needs to be a distinction between game misconduct and match penalty - and "gross misconduct" is a new one to me... and I've been watching the NHL since the days of the Original Six. 147.70.242.40 (talk) 22:33, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A Misconduct (also known as a 10 Minuit Misconduct) is a non-time penalty and is usually awarded to a player for something along the lines of repeatedly challenging the call of an official, whereas not to further penalize the entire team. It can also be given out if a player breaks his stick so it cannot be measured, failure to wear protective equipment properly, and attempting to incite an opponent to fight.

A Match penalty is a 'Time Penalty' which refers to the 5min that gets put up on the clock and getting the player booted from the game. Best way to sum it up is that a match is a penalty that gets awarded because the player 'Attempted to injure' or caused an injury to another player.

"A Gross Misconduct penalty shall be assessed [to] any player or team official who conducts herself in such a manner as to make a travesty of the game"^[1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robert0288 (talk • contribs) 05:57, 3 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Rule 4.7 (b) 2012-2014 Hockey Canada Rule Book

Spearing penalty

There was a spearing penalty in yesterday's Calgary @ Anaheim game. It was assessed as a double minor, not major; also, a game misconduct was not a subsequent penalty, but there was a roughing minor. This article, however, says the penalty is automatic major and automatic game misconduct. (→Zachary) 07:21, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rule 86 Spearing

Spearing shall mean stabbing an opponent with the point of the stick blade whether contact is made or not.

a) A double minor penalty will be imposed on a player who spears an opponent and does not make contact.

b) A major and a game misconduct shall be imposed on a player who spears an opponent. (See also :Rule 43 -- Attempt to or Deliberate Injury of Opponents.)

c) A match penalty shall be imposed on a player who injures an opponent as a result of a spear. (See also Rule 43 -- Attempt to or Deliberate Injury of Opponents.)

TheHYPO (talk) 08:07, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Coincidental penalties

In the NHL and U.S. college hockey, if minor penalties are assessed to one player on each team at the same time ("coincidental") while teams are at full strength, the teams will each play with four skaters in "four-on-four" play. Since neither team is short-handed, a goal in four-on-four play does not end either penalty. In USA Hockey and IIHF, however, coincidental minor penalties result in normal full strength hockey, and the players may not return to the ice until the first stoppage in play after the penalties expire.

Can someone shed light on what this paragraph is trying to say? IIHF rule 512d explicitly states that at full strength for both teams, substitutions are not allowed, leaving both teams with four players, so clearly the part about IIHF is misinformed – I don't know about the other organizations though. -- Jao (talk) 14:49, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Goals scored during delayed minor calls

I added information about the result of a goal scored during a delayed minor call because it seemed to be both appropriate to the article and important information. If this is unacceptable or if anyone else has a suggestion of how to make it better, please feel free to explain and change or delete it. Tstreet (talk) 01:57, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Globalize

These need to be globalized. I don't have a link to a rule book but from observation an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty in the Asia League Ice Hockey doesn't seem to require that your team play down a man, that combined with the language of the article is a clear indication that this is NHL centric.--Crossmr (talk) 15:53, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Goalie leaving crease

The entry for this used to read "Goaltender Leaving Crease: A goaltender may not leave the vicinity of his crease during an altercation. Once left the crease he can be checked. This is the only penalty in which the goaltender is sent to the penalty box and replaced with an extra attacker." I removed the last part because 1, I've never heard of this happening, ever, and two, the linked part of the rulebook doesn't seem to confirm this. Can anyone provide a better source? I'm pretty certain it's not true. 208.110.101.45 (talk) 00:59, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of match penalties

I was wondering if we had some sort of list of match penalties in NHL history. I know it's a very rare occurance, so it seems like it'd be appropriate to have this article. Redwolf24 (talk) 23:54, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Seperate List

Should the list of penalties be split off onto a seperate article? Eomund (talk) 22:35, 10 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Re-write needed?

This whole article is quite haphazardly written, and seems to jump around a lot from being NHL-centric in one section, to international, to Canadian/US amateur. There are also a lot of sections that seem to just be original research, such as the whole 'penalties as a strategy'

The lists of Minor and Major penalties are quite poor, as in reality, almost all penalties are going to be a minor penalty for a regular infraction, and a major+GM for an accidental injury, with a match penalty for deliberate injuries, with the exception of certain stick penalties such as spearing.

As the title to the article is for Penalties in Ice Hockey, all sections should be based on the IIHF rulebook only, with perhaps a separate section or article for where the NHL rule book deviates from the International rule book. Otherwise, there needs to be a whole different page for 'Penalties in the NHL'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.151.126.216 (talk) 04:17, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Triple-Minors

I've removed all references to triple-minors from this article (and the penalty box article).

There is no reference to any concept of a triple-minor in any rule book that I can find anywhere, and the references listed were from sports writers who were referring to combinations of penalties (a single plus a double minor penalty = triple minor?). It's not a "triple-minor" penalty in this case, but a combination of multiple penalties which is treated like three minor penalties. In fact, the treating of penalties in this manner allows for quadruple-minors, quintuple-minors, etc.

The fact that there are single infraction penalties which are treated as two minor penalties is notable and should be mentioned here, but triple-minors are misleading and not actually a single infraction penalty as was previously mentioned here. Aradil (talk) 19:46, 12 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, and good removal. Reso lute 19:53, 12 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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2019 - 2020 Season NHL Penalty Changes

I want to add the new NHL rule changes related to penalties for the 2019-2020 season. There are outlined in this article^[1] from NHL.com. I've also quoted them below. I would put an abbreviated version of these rule changes and a link to the article and rule book as references.

Bdreyfus (talk) 20:08, 25 September 2019 (UTC)Bdreyfus[reply]

References

^ https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-announces-rule-changes-for-2019-20-season/c-307949196

[1] Rule 4.7 (b) 2012-2014 Hockey Canada Rule Book

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