Talk:Megalomania

Archival note

I have archived all threads from when this was an article. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 10:19, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Cleanup

Tamzin, thanks for cleaning up the page. Grandiose delusions seems out of place, as neither the title nor the description is connecting it to the subject of Megalomania. Jay (talk) 10:06, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

@Jay: Hmm. I'm not sure. That article—unlike Bipolar disorder, which I removed—does mention megalomania, and at the RfD there was at least one !vote to retarget there outright. I'd be curious to hear what others think. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 10:19, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

I agree there is a mention at the article, but from a DAB perspective here, the reader is not informed enough. Jay (talk) 10:23, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks also to Tamzin for informing the DPL team. Loafiewa, Paradoctor, Wiki-psyc and others, please can you help disambiguate the incoming links, possibly by unlinking? It looks like a job for experts in medicine rather than disambiguation. DisamAssist would be a appropriate tool for this job. Certes (talk) 13:17, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Tamzin, megalomania is a largely obsolete term that would be most closely associated with "delusions of grandeur" or the more contemporary term "grandiose delusions". The American Psychological Association (APA) provides some insight into this here. It's not surprising that it is not discussed in the Wiki-article as it is a obsolete term. Wiki-psyc (talk) 13:44, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

UPDATE: Obsolete as a psychology term.

I'll do what I can see. Paradoctor (talk) 15:03, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

 Done All article space incoming links have been dealt with, mostly by Wiktionary links. Project space links are rarely worth the effort, so if anyone wants to, have at it. 😉 Happy editing, Paradoctor (talk) 07:06, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! Certes (talk) 16:14, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Reverting valid edits

Gentlemen Tamzin Paradoctor, I'm not going to edit war on this disambiguation or this topic, but I will share the reasons you should reconsider the reverts that were made.

1. Megalomania was not the historic name of NPD. Yes, I have read on Wikipedia that Megalomania from time to time that Megalomania was in the earlier versions of the DSM but its simply not true. I know it would be WP:ORIGINAL to look at the 5 versions of the DSM (which I have electronically and have word searched to confirm), but if someone knew this was not true, they should discourage editors from posting a myth.

But more importantly, the "Megalomania" most often used at Wikipedia and in the media is to describe supervillains, and tyrants. Editors (and their sources) are mostly referring to something more akin to the Dark triad or Malignant narcissism (a poorly written wiki-article) - diseases of multiple, extreme disorders.

2. Grandiose delusion is the closest psychology term Wikipedia has to megalomania (psychology). Megalo means grand and mania means madness. Read most the authoritative RS (not Huntington Post or a blog) behind the articles quoted throughout Wikipedia about megalomania and you will conclude the same. Wade through a Google Scholar search and read a 20 articles - you will find the same.

Lastly, as an average readers might find "A concept in omnipotence (psychoanalysis)" as stained and confusing wording.

• A concept in omnipotence (psychoanalysis), a Freudian theory which describes a normal stage of mental development in children
• Omnipotence, a Freudian theory which describes a normal stage of mental development in children

Wiki-psyc (talk) 22:22, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Wrong forum. Please discuss this at the respective talk pages. Dab descriptions follow their target articles. Paradoctor (talk) 23:33, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) So, keeping in mind my closing statement at the RfD—that you're welcome to create an article on the broad topic of megalomania under the normal processes—we should remember that this is a disambiguation page, and our only purpose here is to disambiguate what our readers are looking for. To that end, when linking to something from this page, the description should make clear what that term is and why it's listed on this page. The NPD article says that NPD was once called megalomania (Narcissistic personality disorder § History), so we repeat that claim here. If you think the claim is incorrect, you should raise it at Talk:Narcissistic personality disorder.

As to whether "Grandiose delusion" is the closest term, I'm not really sure it matters. I've listed NPD first simply because it was historically where this page pointed, and thus there's a navigational benefit to having it at the top of the list; I wouldn't be heartbroken, though, over a consensus to list something else first.

On your third point, perhaps you can clarify for me: Is "omnipotence" (in the Freudian sense) synonymous with "megalomania" (in the Freudian sense)? The linked section doesn't actually make it very clear. If it's not synonymous, then we should have some qualifier like "A concept in", because this all falls under the heading of "Megalomania may refer to".

Also, no offense taken, but just so you know, I am not a gentleman. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 23:35, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Tamzin Thanks for a thoughtful response.

The NPD article is Start Class article. The History section states "megalomania has since been removed from the DSM, and forged in with narcissistic personality disorder" and cites a "Mental floss" article which makes no mention of such a thing. I'll fix that.

To a psychiatrist, megalomania is Grandiose delusion.

In the Freudian sense omnipotence and megalomania mean the same with the former being a more contemporary term.Wiki-psyc (talk) 21:50, 13 December 2021 (UTC)