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Miscellaneous Symbol was proposed for deletion. This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was to keep.

Not an article. RickK 00:21, Oct 30, 2004 (UTC)

  • Delete. Don't we already have articles on fonts and typography that cover this sort of thing? Inky 01:07, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep improved version. Delete. Recycle ♸ the page. This article is not useful. The glyphs are numerically encoded as HTML entities. This means that if your system is not Unicode-savvy, the article is not useful, because the glyphs will not display correctly. On the other hand, in Mac OS X, which is Unicode-savvy, you can display every available Unicode character via the character palette, and I am sure there must be a similar facility in Windows. Therefore, if your system is Unicode-savvy, the article is not useful. This article covers 128 of the Unicode code points, of which there are about 96,000, so there could conceivably be over seven hundred more articles like this one. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 01:37, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete: Perhaps just include a proper table in the article on Unicode? Not worth having like this, certainly. Geogre 02:44, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

&Weak keep. This is an attempt at another article on a Unicode subrange. It needs to be reformatted to match the others, and probably moved to a better title. — Gwalla | Talk 06:27, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Where are some of the others... and do they present the glyphs in the form of small bitmapped images, or what? [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 13:00, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. I know there is not much at this point and a lot of work needs to be done. To address Dpbsmith's concern, Wikipedia uses iso-8859-1, so I have to convert everything to an HTML entity since I am talking about unicode characters outside of the range of ISO latin (I am using Mac OS X to do this). I havn't had time yet to make the image of the character range. We don't necessarily need an article for every character range, since a linguistic article will probably cover it, however, special use areas like this should have a at least a small mention. CyberSkull 13:14, 2004 Oct 30 (UTC)
Before I got an edit conflict, I was about to say:
I would change my vote to Keep if a) the table of symbols were to be presented the form of a single bitmapped image; b) the symbols were enlarged for better legibility; c) they were formatted as a table from which the Unicode code points could be read; d) the article were moved some more appropriate title such as Unicode Miscellaneous Symbol Range; e) someone will explain to me what guidelines or policy we have or can be put in place that would prevent the submission of seven hundred-odd other similar articles.
CyberSkull addresses these in his comment.... if "I haven't had time yet" means "I will do this." Tell me that have firm plans to improve the article and I'll change my vote. The embarrassment of being listed on VfD might have been avoided by a) building the page in a user area and not moving it into the main namespace until it was ready, or, if you wanted to signal that this was work in progress so that others didn't duplicate your work, b) putting a clear note in the talk page indicating that this was work in progress and what your future plans were. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 13:30, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • I have made significant modifications, but they are incomplete. Please take a look. CyberSkull 03:02, 2004 Oct 31 (UTC)
    • Much improved. Changed my vote to "keep," above. I replaced the table with a bitmap, so it no longer relies on having Unicode and fonts installed. I just did a screen capture of the screen display, cropped it, and turned it into a .png. I believe the same thing should be done with the individual glyphs in the upper table, but of course that's a lot of work. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 03:38, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)
    • that table was incomplete. Also, other charset pages have a text based table just like that. I will upload a graphic in addition when I complete the table. CyberSkull 04:10, 2004 Oct 31 (UTC)
  • It's mostly done now. Please tell me what you think. CyberSkull 08:16, 2004 Oct 31 (UTC)
    • I think it's absolutely essential to replace the character-based glyphs with bitmaps. To my surprise, it turns out that even with Mac OS X 10.3.4 none of the symbols from 268A and up are displaying properly. Wikipedia tries to stay compatible with older browsers and OSes. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 16:10, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)
    • There are no glyphs for those symbols in the included fonts, and the rest is simply undefined. (I also have a near full compliment of windows fonts installed, and they don't show up). I added a link to a bitmap. CyberSkull 23:36, 2004 Oct 31 (UTC)
  • Keep. Bryan 06:33, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Good job on the rewrite, amending my vote (above) to keep. Inky 21:16, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)


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