Talk:Adolescence

Wiki Education assignment: LLIB 1115 - Intro to Information Research

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 11 January 2022 and 6 May 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Hronnie223 (article contribs).

The Article Has Been Revised and Updated to Make it More Concise and Accurate.

I left the article with a more up-to-date view of adolescence, I didn't quote the "WHO" because the definition of adolescence adopted by it dates back to the 20th century, but we are already in the 21st century and even with all the scientific discoveries and the international media recognition surrounding these scientific discoveries, the WHO and the UN have not chosen to change their outdated definition of this complex phase of life called "ADOLESCENCE". I therefore believe that we should look at things from angles based on scientifically proven and up-to-date criteria and not from angles that are already outdated and contradict current events. Wiki7Hell (talk) 23:09, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Blog posts and homework help sites are not reliable sources. It is better to stick to high-quality academic sources than to add 'up-to-date' blog fluff. MrOllie (talk) 16:35, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, but I think you are mistaken, because the sources cited in the article are organizational sources and scientific articles. If you think that government and organizational sources are unreliable sources and do not comply with Wikipedia's guidelines, you are mistaken. Wiki7Hell (talk) 17:35, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

I can read the article history just fine, you clearly added blogs and homework help sites. see diff MrOllie (talk) 22:18, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

And now you're adding obvious copyright violations. MrOllie (talk) 19:26, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

@MrOllie Wow, so I can't use scientific articles, nor blog sources, nor any kind of links or reliable sources. I think you're the ones who are taking away the rights of other editors with your lies and abuse of power. Get real, administrator, because the edit you support so much is all wrong and completely outside Wikipedia's rules. You seem more like a bunch of people looking for edit fights than real administrators. This is a disgrace. Wiki7Hell (talk) 20:07, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

You can't copy and paste from anything into Wikipedia, from any source. If you keep doing that I expect you're going to get blocked indefinitely. Respecting the rights of authors and avoiding plagiarism is important and a basic requirement to work on this site. MrOllie (talk) 20:08, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

@MrOllie

Again I repeat. Did you at least read my edit and review the articles mentioned? It seems not, I used my own words to edit the file according to verified sources, and I also followed all possible Wikipedia rules. You are a disgrace to Wikipedia and to all other users and should not be an administrator since that role is not yours. I hope you are banned indefinitely from Wikipedia. Wiki7Hell (talk) 20:22, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

I did review the articles, yes. That is how I noticed you were violating copyright. You absolutely did not use your own words. This is not the first time you have made talk page claims that are obviously false (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Adolescence&diff=next&oldid=1251530274 like when you denied adding blog links). You have to actually follow Wikipedia's policies, not violate them and then claim otherwise in subsequent talk page posts. MrOllie (talk) 20:24, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

@MrOllie

Okay, administrator, it will be according to my own words, that is, "my own way of speaking", but if my edit is deleted once again, then I will be sure that this is either persecution, or an editing dispute, or abuse of power or some kind of bullying and offense to my rights. This is the last attempt I will make to publish, because if you don't know, each edit takes time and I don't have much time to waste. Wiki7Hell (talk) 00:21, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Your edit absolutely will be 'deleted once again' if you don't secure WP:CONSENSUS support for your changes. Introducing the same problems over and over is just edit warring. MrOllie (talk) 00:24, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Also, you keep addressing me as though I am the only person who has reverted you or taken issue with your editing - I am not. MrOllie (talk) 00:26, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

@MrOllie

But you were one of them 😐 Wiki7Hell (talk) 00:28, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

@MrOllie

And what problems really are? Wiki7Hell (talk) 00:26, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

They've been explained to you a few times, here and at your user talk page. Sometimes WP:COPYVIO problems, other times WP:OR problems, and often problems of using unreliable sources (WP:RS). I strongly recommend you slow down and make much smaller edits rather then trying to rewrite the lead sections of articles in one go. MrOllie (talk) 00:31, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

@MrOllie

Thank you for clarifying the issues that I need to correct, I will create an edit according to the rules you gave me. Thank you again for your attention and understanding. Wiki7Hell (talk) 00:56, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

If you were to 'create an edit' on this page without getting consensus support in advance that would be in very poor judgement. You have been specifically warned about this on your user talk page by User:Ohnoitsjamie and you've already been blocked once for disrupting this article. Resuming the same issues again here would be very unwise. MrOllie (talk) 00:58, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

I have rewritten the introduction of the page within the following rules mentioned by you:

• WP:CONSENSUS

• WP:COPYVIO

• WP:OR

• WP:RS

Updated Introduction:

Adolescence (from the Latin adulescere: to grow) was originally defined by G. Stanley Hall in his treatise on adolescence as a phase between childhood and adulthood of "storm and stress", from the age of 14 to 24[1]. The International Association for Adolescent Health (IAAH) broadened this definition, considering adolescence to be a multifaceted phase from 10 to 24 years of age that encompasses the transition from childhood to adulthood, involving physical growth, sexual, cognitive, social and emotional development[2] [3].

This phase of life brings with it the experiences of childhood, influencing the future trajectories of each adolescent, but often these experiences will not determine the young person's future, because adolescence is often marked by great adaptability, with opportunities for change, resilience, recovery and development. It is these interactions that mark adolescence out as a unique period for healthy and positive development trajectories.[4]

The adolescent years between the ages of 10 and 24 are years of discovery and identity construction. Neuroscientist Sarah-Jayne Blakemore points out: "That in adolescence our sense of self undergoes profound development as we try to establish ourselves in the outside world."[5]

References:

1. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2352464218300221

2. https://iaah.org/education-training-healthcare-providers/

3. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK545476/

4. https://iaah.org/

Make sure it's fit to be published. Wiki7Hell (talk) 21:02, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

⚠️I would like to point out that the numerology of the fonts in "references" does not match the blue numerology marked next to each paragraph of the text, because this sample introduction is just a prototype, but if you press the blue button next to each paragraph you will be redirected to the correct fonts.⚠️ Wiki7Hell (talk) 21:07, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

This has the same plagiarism of the sources as your last effort. A WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASE is still a copyright violation - you are clearly copying text from https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK545476/ for starters. MrOllie (talk) 21:41, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

@MrOllie

Thank you for clarifying where I went wrong, I will improve my edition to make it even better and without plagiarism or inaccuracies. Wiki7Hell (talk) 22:30, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

@MrOllie

Ok, I've now completely reworded "font 3" according to the rule:

• WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASE

I've also reworked "font 1", to make editing even more concise with the rules:

- WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASE

- WP:COPYVIO

- WP:OR

- WP:RS

- WP:COPYVIO

- WP:CONSENSUS

Here is the updated and revised edition:

Adolescence (from the Latin adulescere: to grow) G. Stanley Hall, in his pioneering work on adolescence, described this phase as a period of "storm and stress", situated between childhood and adulthood, and defined it as occurring between the ages of 14 and 24. The International Association for Adolescent Health (IAAH) broadened this definition, considering adolescence to be a multifaceted phase between the ages of 10 and 24 that encompasses the transition from childhood to adulthood, involving physical growth, sexual, cognitive, social and emotional development.

Adolescence is a phase of great transformation and adaptation, in which young people develop the ability to deal with challenges and build their own path. The experiences of childhood, although important, do not completely define the adolescent's future, as this phase offers countless opportunities for learning, growth and resilience.

The teenage years between the ages of 10 and 24 are years of discovery and identity building. Neuroscientist Sarah-Jayne Blakemore points out: "That in adolescence our sense of self undergoes profound development as we try to establish ourselves in the outside world."

Sources: Wiki7Hell (talk) 23:18, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

That looks like you ran the same text through ChatGPT or similar. MrOllie (talk) 23:21, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, but I don't need to use GPT Chat or anything similar in my edits, but thanks anyway for finding my edit so good, and comparing it with GPT Chat. I'm 46 years old and I've always been curious to learn about human development and since then I've been striving to understand the stages of life especially human development from childhood, adolescence and youth. I understand your concerns about the WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASE rules and I assure you that I have dedicated myself to reading the sources carefully and rewriting them in my own words, trying to follow the Wikipedia rules and collaborating with the community. I would like to point out that I am still learning how to edit on Wikipedia and that I may have made some mistakes, but because you were polite and willing to help me, I was able to fix the flaws in my editing as best I could. Could you point me to the specific passages that still have WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASE problems or some other kind of contravention of Wikipedia rules? I would like to better understand how I can improve my text and avoid these problems in the future. Wiki7Hell (talk) 23:58, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

It looks like ChatGPT is not 'Good'. ChatGPT adds a lot of improper intensifiers and generally cannot write in an encyclopedic tone. Your text shows the same issues. MrOllie (talk) 00:03, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Also, as discussed, trying to rewrite the lead section like this is not a good way to proceed, as you've previously been told a couple of times. MrOllie (talk) 00:05, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

And what are the improper intensifiers you mention?

Sorry, but you seem to be looking for something impossible that is beyond any kind of editing. If my edit is within the rules mentioned:

- WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASE

- WP:COPYVIO

- WP:OR

- WP:RS

- WP:COPYVIEW

- WP:CONSENSUS

So stop making problems that don't exist.

I feel like I'm on Master Chef 😂 lol Wiki7Hell (talk) 00:17, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

You have not actually addressed any of the problems that have been pointed out. I suggest you move on to something else - Posting the same thing over and over with slight variations isn't getting anywhere. MrOllie (talk) 00:21, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

@OhNoitsJamie

Take a look at my article and let me know how it turned out and what I could improve. Wiki7Hell (talk) 18:46, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

@OhNoitsJamie Wiki7Hell (talk) 18:59, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

@MrOllie

MrOllie, I followed all the Wikipedia rules you mentioned:

- WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASE

- WP:COPYVIO

- WP:OR

- WP:RS

- WP:COPYVIEW

- WP:CONSENSUS

I've improved my edit as much as I can, but you're still disdaining my edit, even without having a reason to do so as if the previous edit had been created by a super human endowed with so much wisdom and intelligence that no one can compare to him, even if he tries his hardest and complies with all Wikipedia standards. I'm not trying to pick fights about editing, nor am I trying to show myself to be superior or more intelligent than anyone else, because I believe that life is like a learning book where we learn and improve ourselves every day. I just want to collaborate with Wikipedia and update a source that hasn't been updated in years. Besides, you are doubting scientific sources based on empirical evidence, just to deny that my edit is published on Wikipedia and to support your point of view. Wiki7Hell (talk) 19:10, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

The existing version contains good, recent scientific sources, which are higher quality than the ones you are attempting to cite (as defined by WP:RS). It also does not have the obvious violations pointed out to you several times which remain unaddressed by your minor grammatical tweaks. Your changes are not an improvement to the article, thus we should remain with the current version. Making personal attacks on me will not change that. MrOllie (talk) 19:15, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

@MrOllie

Ok, MrOllie, this is not a personal attack on you if that's what you think. Those sources are scientific papers, including government sources, and not inaccurate sources containing false information as you say, but if that's your concern I can rewrite my edit using only government articles. No problem! Wiki7Hell (talk) 19:43, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

@MrOllie

I'm only in this conflict because my edits have been blocked by you several times and this is disappointing, because that's wasted research and editing time. Wiki7Hell (talk) 19:46, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

if that's your concern I can rewrite my edit using only government articles That's not my concern, I never said that, and no one is asking you to do that. I'm only in this conflict because my edits have been blocked by you several times I've reverted you exactly once on this article. As I've mentioned before, I am not the only person who has had issues with your edits. because that's wasted research and editing time No one asked you to do that either. MrOllie (talk) 19:46, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

@MrOllie

"Sorry, but I wasn't just referring to this article, but to several others. I had another account that got banned out of nowhere and every edit I made was reverted by you @MrOllie or @Ohnoitsjamie, and I almost lost my current account just because of one edit. I know you're doing your job as an admin and that you weren't the only one who reverted my edits and banned my account, and you were the only one who was kind, polite and willing to help me and I deeply appreciate that. Anyway, I recreated my edit, and so that it's not a waste of time to post it and lose it again, here's my updated version, I ask that you review it if it's within Wikipedia's rules before I post it."

Adolescence (from the Latin adulescere, meaning to grow) is a transitional period between childhood and adulthood marked by significant biological, cognitive, and psychosocial changes. Several organizations, such as the National Academies of Science, Engineering, and Medicine (NASEM) and the Society for Adolescent Health Medicine (SAHM), define adolescence as the period from ages 10 to 24. In contrast, the Mass Cultural Council, aligning with Erik Erikson's work on the stages of psychosocial development, defines it as the period from ages 12 to 23. This broader definition highlights the importance of adolescent development for health and well-being throughout the lifespan, and recognizes that this period provides significant changes and opportunities for self-discovery, social bonding, and identity exploration. Wiki7Hell (talk) 23:05, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

I had another account that got banned out of nowhere Block evasion is itself a blockable offense, it was not 'out of nowhere'. and I almost lost my current account just because of one edit. That is not accurate. You have consistently made problem edits across a range of articles. If you get blocked indefinately, it will be because of this pattern of edits, not one edit. I ask that you review it if it's within Wikipedia's rules before I post it. Do not post it. Instead, you should drop the stick and move on - your proposals don't improve on what's already in the article. MrOllie (talk) 23:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

I've spent enough time on this for now. I probably won't respond so often any more. Please do not interpret silence as support for your changes. MrOllie (talk) 23:22, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

@MrOllie

I made a series of revisions to my edit, and even presented it to some administrators in a discussion forum, and they all said that at least now my edit complies with Wikipedia's rules. I think you didn't like the extended view of adolescence, which instead of being 10 to 19 years old, is 10 to 24 years old, which is in line with several scientific studies that empirically prove that human development continues until the mid-20s, including several organizations that have already adopted this updated and accurate view of adolescence. In any case, I appreciate your understanding and attention, and since I made every effort to create this edit and since it complies with Wikipedia's rules, I published it. Although you do not support it, I hope that somehow you will take my effort into consideration, and that at some point the traditional definition of adolescence from 10 to 19 years old will be replaced soon by the more recent definition of 10 to 24 years old, by the UN and its organizations until at least 2030. Wiki7Hell (talk) 00:09, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

and even presented it to some administrators in a discussion forum Kindly provide a link to this. MrOllie (talk) 00:24, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Waste of time, even if I showed you the link, unfortunately you will continue to revert my edits, and you have already done so. I give up! I am wasting too much time on stupid things like this trying to edit something that does not add anything to me, if you want to continue with your edit, feel free. But unfortunately it is depressing to see something that should contain truthful, consistent information and free for everyone to edit, being controlled by false information such as saying that "adolescence lasts until the age of 30" and outdated information such as believing that the most correct view of adolescence is the one adopted by the WHO dating back to the 20th century and that the organization itself recognizes that its definition of adolescence is not perfect and is already inconsistent with the current reality of adolescents. As I said, I am a 46-year-old guy and I don't even know why I am trying to help a bunch of fools. Wiki7Hell (talk) 00:51, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm very curious to see that link as well. In the meantime, since you are now blocked from directly editing Adolescence, please take the time to read about making edit requests. If you can propose an edit that is supported by reliable sources and doesn't involve removing existing well-sourced material without a good reason, we'll be happy to incorporate that into the article. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 00:54, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

@Ohnoitsjamie

Wow! The guy who blocked me twice in a row just for editing on Wikipedia is now trying to reach a settlement? You are a terrible administrator, because you broke WP:DONTBITE, and you also committed "Filibustering" against me several times. You said that my edit was "Disruptive", which is not true, because I was not attacking anyone, but just collaborating and trying to update something that was already outdated. You were using Wikipedia's improper processes against me, perhaps just out of hatred, just to prove your vision point WP:GAME, this is also known as WP:POINT or "Abuse of Process". You were also using policies to discredit my edit as if it were false and misleading WP:AGF. Sure, I failed many times, but I tried to correct my editing errors and even so you imposed unnecessary errors on my WP:CIVIL edits. With your arguments refuting and reverting my edits and attempts at corrections, you have discriminated against me as a bad-faith WP:NPA editor. In any case, I am tired of editing articles that will be reverted by you. Your type of conduct is a disgrace to Wikipedia, but life is a learning experience where even great editors can act like newbies and even newbies can act like great editors. Wiki7Hell (talk) 12:47, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Personal Attacks ain't gonna get you anywhere. Babysharkboss2!! ^{(Viva la Vendetta)} 14:07, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

@Babysharkboss2 Wiki7Hell (talk) 14:30, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

What? Babysharkboss2!! ^{(Viva la Vendetta)} 14:31, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

@Babysharkboss2

Sorry, I was just writing that you were the ones who attacked me first, even though I made it clear from the beginning that I wasn't looking for edit wars, but just to collaborate on Wikipedia, and instead of politely talking to me, you called my edit "disturbing" as if my edit was something "horrible" or "criminal", and you also blocked my main account twice at the beginning, and banned many others, including "Wiki7HellSecondary". And you made me waste my time, creating and recreating edits in vain. You also broke a series of rules against me.

• WP:DONTBITE

• Filibustering

• WP:GAME

• WP:POINT

• Abuse of Process

• WP:AGF

• WP:NPA

And you still want me to refrain from defending myself? Then please don't try to play the victim. Wiki7Hell (talk) 15:01, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

I literally did not personally attack you. I actually invited you to not attack others. Babysharkboss2!! ^{(Viva la Vendetta)} 15:02, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

@Babysharkboss2

I wasn't referring to you Babysharkboss2, but to Ohnoitsjamie who blocked my secondary account "Wiki7HellSecondary" and reverted all my edits, I understand that no one is obliged to like an edit or a point of view, but you should have just warned me before blocking my main account "Wiki7Hell". That's what really revolted me. Wiki7Hell (talk) 16:02, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

(outdent) I'm not trying to reach as "settlement." I'm repeating the same things I've been telling you, as clearly as possible. The partial block was necessary as you were ignoring that advice. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 13:48, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

@Ohnoitsjamie

I understand, there is no possibility of an edit from my side since you will not agree with any point of view that I may put in my edit and will probably revert any edit that I may make, that is, you have created your own convictions and no one can change them regardless of whether my point of view is valid, you have probably already reached a consensus to renounce that point of view. WP:LISTEN In my opinion Wikipedia is controlled by the administrators and is not a free platform, nor does it need to be regardless of the sources added, even if the administrators' opinions are incorrect. Wiki7Hell (talk) 15:56, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

WP:DROPTHESTICK Babysharkboss2!! ^{(Viva la Vendetta)} 15:57, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

You don't need to ping me anymore. I've already given you plenty of advice and suggestions, and you said here that you will not be editing the article anymore. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 16:01, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

I think this is a WP:CIR, personally. With a slice of WP:NPA. Babysharkboss2!! ^{(Viva la Vendetta)} 16:05, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

@Babysharkboss2@MrOllie@Ohnoitsjamie

The one who started this heated debate was Ohnoitsjamie, when he insulted my edit and blocked my account. You admins all get together to try to compete for something that I don't even know why. Wiki7Hell (talk) 16:18, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm not an admin. Babysharkboss2!! ^{(Viva la Vendetta)} 16:37, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

I thought about giving up, but now I won't. If you think I'm going to lose this one, you're wrong. WP:DROPTHESTICK Wiki7Hell (talk) 16:09, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

I'd suggest adding WP:BATTLEGROUND to your list of links. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 16:22, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

But indeed Oh Night Jamie you are the one who started a feud instead of a civilized debate. My secondary account @Wiki7HellSecondary is permanently blocked. Because of you. Wiki7Hell (talk) 16:57, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

@Ohnoitsjamie

In addition to blocking my secondary account, you stained my main account with 2 blocks and you still want to play the victim. Wiki7Hell (talk) 17:04, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

You registered a secondary account to evade the block on your first one. What did you think would happen? MrOllie (talk) 17:19, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

References

Abuse of Administration

Dude, what's your problem? You keep reverting my edits, as if your edit were perfect, but if you analyze your edit you will see that it is full of errors, disconnects and impressions, including missing sources in some contexts of your edit, including on the page about "Cognitive Development", in addition to inaccurate information at the beginning of the article where it says that "Some definitions start as early as 10 and end as late as 30." which is not true at all because the maximum age limit for adolescence is 25 years in all scientific articles, and besides, no scientific article defines adolescence as from 10 to 30 years. In "theoretical perspectives" you even mention artificial intelligence, something that has nothing to do with adolescence, there are several paragraphs without any connection and not even connections. Dude, get real, if you think I'm here to fight over edits, you're very wrong, I'm here to help correct the errors and inaccuracies contained in your edit. What you are doing is taking advantage of your administrator power to create inaccurate and decontextualized articles, and in your opinion, that is perfect. It does not seem that as a Wikipedia administrator you are willing to contribute to an accurate, consistent and informative Wikipedia, but rather to create edit disputes. Unfortunately, Wikipedia is becoming an embarrassment because of administrators of this type. Wiki7Hell (talk) 19:53, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Please read WP:CONSENSUS. As of yet, you don't have one to make the edits you are proposing. This article has a long history of disruptive editors arguing over age definitions, which is why there is more scrutiny around the sorts of large edits you've made. Please consider following the instructions at Wikipedia:Edit_requests and starting with a few sentences or a paragraph. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 11:34, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Add A Fact: "1.3 billion adolescents globally"

I found a fact that might belong in this article. See the quote below

There are 1.3 billion adolescents in the world today

The fact comes from the following source:

https://data.unicef.org/topic/adolescents/overview/

Additional comments from user: This insight is valuable, enabling the user to understand the proportion of the population represented by adolescents.

This post was generated using the Add A Fact browser extension.

Laiasolagonzalez (talk) 16:11, 5 November 2024 (UTC)