Talk:Borlänge

Expressen

Expressen is a WP:RS because it won "Newspaper of the Year" sv: Årets Dagstidning award in 2016: https://www.medievarlden.se/2016/03/har-ar-vinnarna-av-arets-dagstidning-2016/. Further, the statement that people from Finland, Yugoslavia and Somalia arrived in Tjärna Ängar in that order is not disputed in/by any source given. Since Expressen is claimed to be generally unreliable, that claim must be backed up with a WP:RS source. AadaamS (talk) 21:51, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The focus on the population of Tjärna Ängar over Borlänge's various other neighborhoods is undue. This district's population figures also have nothing to do with its police classification as a vulnerable area or with harassment on the Dalarna university premises. Tying these disparate things together is WP:SYNTH. Also, the tabloid indicates that "Senare, i slutet av 80- och början av 90-talet, kom kurderna och jugoslaverna. Nu är det somalierna, och Tjärna ängar kallas i folkmun "Lilla Mogadishu" [1], which per Google Translate means "Later, in the late 80s and early 90's, the Kurds and Yugoslavians came. Now it's Somalis, and Tjärnängar is called in the popular "Little Mogadishu"." [2]. The wikitext claimed instead that the migrants had arrived from Kurdistan. Regardless, it doesn't matter if that paper won an award; the Daily Mail was likewise named Newspaper of the Year at the British Press Awards. Both are still tabloids, and as such are discouraged per WP:QS. Soupforone (talk) 04:43, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

All newspapers in Sweden are in the Tabloid format these days. The statements were supported by WP:RS, the statements in Expressen have not been falsified. Instead, other WP:RS sources support them. It's not undue weight since the situation in Tjärna Ängar has reached national news and has been written about by Nationella operativa avdelningen, part of the nation-level police authority. Have other areas in Borlänge? Why only this one? Segregation in Tjärna Ängar has also been written about. Has also been discussed in parliament: https://riksdagen.se/sv/dokument-lagar/dokument/skriftlig-fraga/situationen-i-bostadsomradet-tjarna-angar-i_H511281. It is not synthesis, there are many poor areas in Norrland and other northern parts of Sweden where paramedics & firefighters are never violently attacked. Attacking paramedics is a war crime under the Geneva Convention. The classification as "risk area" means that it has parallell "local justice systems" and authorities are starting to lose control of the area - why would this happen in only this but not other poor areas in northern parts of Sweden? AadaamS (talk) 06:47, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Blaming socio-economics for ills caused by segregation is misrepresenting the sources. AadaamS (talk) 06:49, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

In the end this discussion is useless since this is a seldomly edited article. An editor patrolling this article several times a day will always prevail. AadaamS (talk) 06:56, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

As noted in its infobox, that paper is an actual tabloid (like the Daily Mirror), not merely a newspaper in tabloid format. Tabloids are not reliable per WP:QS. That being said, I don't disagree that the riots and harassment are notable, which is why I moved them to socioeconomics. Here is the problematic wikitext--

"Tjärna Ängar is a Million Programme district built 1970-1974. In 1995 there were 3200 inhabitants which decreased to 1900 in 1990 and increased to 2900 in 2010.[5] Initially there was a high influx of migrant workers, particularly from Finland.[6] In the late 1980s and early 1990s there were an influx of migrants from Kurdistan and Yugoslavia. In the late 2000s, the influx was from Somalia. In total 2 of 3 have a foreign background.[4][5]"

This passage is on demographics; none of the links in it are on the riots/harassment. Therefore, it should not be juxtaposed by the latter because that would give the misleading impression that the aforementioned immigrant groups are the cause of the upheaval per WP:SYNTHESIS ("do not combine material from multiple sources (or different parts of one source) to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources"). The wikiphrase above on Tjärna Ängar's population is undue since the Borlänge Municipality actually indicates population figures for all of the city's primary districts, not just this neighborhood [3]. I have therefore corrected this with a table noting all of the districts and their respective populations. Soupforone (talk) 16:02, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

1990s crime rate

It says Borlänge's 1990s crime rate was the highest per thousand persons, but compared to where? Highest in Sweden? Highest in Europe? I'm sure it would be explained in the source, but I can't read enough Swedish to find out. TooManyFingers (talk) 04:21, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Highest in Sweden. I will add it. Per W (talk) 06:23, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]